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Priscillas friendliness and genuine care for Christian women seem to shine throughevery word she speaks and writes. With all that said, I do not say any of this out of ill intent, anger, or anything along those lines, I simply wanted to clarify, and say, that I agree with Michelles exegesis of (Matthew. Why would the Bible give us both descriptive and prescriptive instruction to warn against false teaching if doing so is a sin (gossip)? I dont want my readers to believe something just on my (or anyone elses) say so. There CAN be women from different denominations there, what is so wrong with that? 1:37-When these believerswho had experienced different things about God became part of my life, my eyes were opened to see God in a brand new way. With continuous prayer, we have decided to proceed with her study but with open eyes to the objections you brought up. Can you explain ? Based on Saikowoods earlier post, you are not even familiar with the fact that Dr. Tony Evans is her father. Click on link: #FerventFridays - Week 1 - Your Passion. What we believe about God must come from Scripture alone. Any more credible sources out there? Romans 4:18. If youre in need of suggestions of doctrinally sound blogs for women, go to the top of this page and click on Recommended Bible Teachers. Ive got two lists of 10 up there, and another one coming in the near future. read more, Scripture: How I wish I could ask him what he thinks of his heathen saving methods now that he has seen the face of Jesus!). They had started out on the right foot with the biblical gospel, but false teachings were beginning to take hold. 2. But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not . Introduction Its not simply a prohibition against women having a job as a pastor- theres more to it than that. read more, Scripture: Go, gather together all the Jews who are in Susa, and fast for me. That preaching to and teaching men is a violation of Scripture is also not an accusation, but a statement of fact. People Listen In Different Wayscan You Reach All Of Them? This is a promotional clip not a scriptural teaching. I am gonna pray for you. I KNOW this original post is over a year old. The word astonished means to be struck with amazement. Watch videos of Shirer speaking, listen to her sermons, read her books, and compare them all with what Scripture says. 1 Samuel 30: 6 And David was greatly distressed; for the people spake of stoning him, because the soul of all the people was grieved, every man for his sons and for his daughters: but David encouraged himself in the LORD his THIS PRACTICE WAS NOT UNCOMMON IN THE EARLY CHURCH. Moving Beyond the Motions God has not instructed women to preach to or instruct men. (And if you need any help getting started, Ive got some resources that will help you under the Bible Studies tab at the top of this page.) September 1, 2002 Romans 16:17-18, They said to you, In the last time there will be scoffers, following their own ungodly passions. It is these who cause divisions, worldly people, devoid of the Spirit. Remember what Hebrews 5:12-14 says: For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. How is this different? read more, Scripture: Our young ministry assistant, a woman, is using Discerning Gods Voice for our womens Bible study. Ill let you know how we continue our course of action. My exact words were: I knew she was his daughter, but Im completely unfamiliar with him or his doctrine. Since I made that comment, Ive seen several endorsements of Priscilla Shirer and her materials by Tony Evans, so I guess that tells us his perspective and the fact that hes not very discerning. I am more of an egalitarian, but Shirer rubs me the wrong way too. You decide. No-one is beyond compassion. Fortunately, those arent your only two choices. Maybe God wants to stretch you beyond here! So instructing men is a red flag to watch for if youre looking for a doctrinally sound teacher. There are two ways in which living in Christ helps us live beyond our fears: knowing that He is completely trustworthy, and doing as He calls us to do. read more, Scripture: It would stand to reason that all those that have never heard of Christ have not accepted Him and therefore, as Rom 1 details, they die in their sin. So I was wondering if I could ask you a couple of questions regarding your comments before we begin our study? I thought parables were a kind of means to read yourself into scripture? It states our purpose to do only those things which are authorized by the Scripture. There are some instances in which it is biblically permissible for a man to be in the room while a woman is teaching the Bible, but if the men you saw were there for biblical instruction from a woman, they were violating Scripture (see #1 & 2 here https://michellelesleybooks.com/2015/12/18/rock-your-role-faqs/). Heres why. Are you into apologetics or something? I attended a conference with Beth Moore, whom I know you have accused also of teaching and preaching to men, and before she began she said that she was there under the guidance of her pastor and that if men were present, they should understand that her teachings were meant for women. Ohmygoodness!!!! 5. Im sorry, Im a little unclear. There are two lists of women and two lists of men. Amen. but me and the wife basically just wanted to thank and encourage you sorry for the wall of text! Maybe Im misunderstanding you, but it sounds like youre saying, Im going to Heaven and thats enough for me. if there is a WOMENS Conference, and books written for women, and Bible Studies written for women, all of them are geared to women, they cant really help men being in attendance of their own perogative, You need milk, not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. Going Beyond Obedience. How do we respond to those who are new Christians and who still "smell" of their former sinful lives? I wont be publishing comments or answering emails that are answered by this article. , an unbiblical practice sometimes called narcissistic. Im not sure if youre referring to Beths inclusion of Catholicism, or both Beths and Priscillas joining with people who subscribe to Word of Faith (prosperity gospel) false doctrine. Mark 7:31-37 There CAN be women from different denominations there, what is so wrong with that? Bible Study Workbooks Priscilla's studies help believers to know the truths of Scripture intellectually and encourage them to experience these truths practically by the power of the Holy Spirit. (I remember when I was a missionary to New Guinea back in the 80s, the missionaries were teaching us how to reach the unsaved New Guinea nationals by telling simple Bible stories, and stories of how our lives were changed by Jesus. If I might, it would be my joy to help you out with this. Do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. The original promo video I used for this article has been deleted, {so I replaced it with the one above}, but in the original video, Priscilla goes on to say) Thats one in a million. I would check with BereanResearch.org, FightingForTheFaith.com, and LighthouseTrails.com. THE CALL? For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. They start, not with a biblical truth but with a story or life experience, and then they build doctrine and beliefs out of that experience. Verse 13. It does NOT say, and be baptist. #4a I see where you noted that Priscilla uses poor hermeneutics when handling Gods word. We do not build doctrine or what we believe about God on peoples subjective experiences. She was the chosen bride, not for doing the minimum, but for going beyond the expected. Next, as I hope you would agree, Scripture is our final authority as Christians. There is only ONE requirement for salvation, and that is accepting that Jesus Christs blood took the place of our sin, recognize our sin and confess it, believe that Jesus is Gods son. It just says dont. Period. 2 Kings 5:1-15 The riches of His word are amazing! INTRODUCTION: You just dont have enough time or energy to respond to every Tom, Dick and Mary.). This is a very good reason not to sit under their teaching. I think you are judging and do not agree with you. It is Gods plan for every Christianto grow to spiritual maturity and intimacy with Him. B. We're called to not live by our feelings but by faith ( 2 Cor. Im sure you can find other examples on YouTube if you need them. Going Beyond Ministries with Priscilla Shirer - The Mercy of Our Great God (March 24, 2017) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at Celebration Church (co-"pastored" by a woman) Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (May 21, 2021) Priscilla preaching to a co-ed audience at Passion 2018 WHAT'S THAT SMELL?: People just spiritually delivered by God usually dont smell good. Defining Moment; Joshua 24 Preached at Midway Community Church June 11, 2000; 1. She did indeed build the doctrine of theres only going to be a handful of people experiencing what weve learned on the pew on her eisegetical handling of Scripture as I explained in that section. Esther 4:16 fasting. Lord, thank You that You are the Good Shepherd and You speak and we hear Your voice. But, yes, sometimes I do offer to send someone Im talking to (face to face) links to my articles, other peoples articles, books, sermons, etc., if theyd like to study an issue more. As a Christian when we face difficulty God provides the means for us to be encouraged, but we are not just to languish in that resting place. #4b- this is supposition on your part. Yes, thats correct. AT THE GOING BEYOND SIMULCAST, YOU CAN EXPECT: Bible teaching from best-selling author Priscilla Shirer To gain tools to study Scripture on your own To engage in worship led by Anthony Evans A powerful group prayer experience The opportunity to make an impact by partnering with a ministry Well, that is why the rubber band was made, to be stretched. Yes, Im afraid thats exactly whats happening. Still, knowing his perspective and the fact that hes her father doesnt change the fact that what Priscilla Shirer is doing is wrong. I have provided you video and audio evidence that Priscilla Shirer has done exactly that, and continues to do so unrepentantly. Could you please provide me with a link to an article or video where she says that so I can check it out? Or will we apply extra effort and go beyond our duty? I am curious, have you confronted Priscilla Shirer of this sin. 1 Corinthians 4:6 says: #2- There are a number of resources on false teachers under the Popular False Teachers tab at the top of this page. Did you feel any kind of fear? John 14:1-4, Luke 10:18-20, 1 Corinthians 15:19. but any time I have been to a conference where these women spoke and I looked across an entire arena of seats, very very few of them were occupied by men. Youre more than welcome to join the study if youd like. If so, then she is well aware of what the Bible says about these issues. Untold millions of Christians over the last two thousand years have studied Gods word, grown close to Him, matured in their faith, and walked faithfully with Him throughout their lives. Wow! Before we move on to Priscilla, I just want to reiterate that preaching to men is not the only way Beth is unrepentantly breaking Scripture (although that is certainly enough to disqualify her as a teacher). Thanks for stopping by! They both willingly, and without reservation, preach to co-ed groups all the time. Popular False Teachers & Unbiblical Trends, please click here and read this article first, Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN, What Are You Looking At | Priscilla Shirer | Hillsong East Coast, Women Teachers? Priscilla partners and associates with false teachers such as Joyce Meyer, Christine Caine,Joel and Victoria Osteen, Beth Moore, and T.D. :0). This article is kept continuously updated as needed. It will help you better understand biblical discernment and the fact that Jesus, Paul, John, Jude and others were pretty negative when it came to false teachers, too! If that is you, let me save you the time and effort of writing another comment. Yes, all of this is important, NO it is not vital. Often God reveals more through discussions and scripture references. Romans 16:17-18 tells us were to mark false teachers and avoid them. Thats very wise, and I respect that. or even some reformed guys or women who speak against Schirer. Lastly, although you are not directly in front of Travis Arnett, Saikowoods, Taylor Dunn & Seth Dunn, all of which are men who have posted here They are Reading & commenting on your comments and blog, thus you are teaching men. SCRIPTURES YOU CAN USE: I will give them a heart to know Me, for I am the Lord; and they will be My people, and I will be their God, for they will return to Me with their whole heart. Parables arent the same thing as eisegesis (or Jesus would have been handling Scripture improperly, Himself), and its easy to see this by reading through (in context) several of Jesus parables. 3 Tests Of Plagiarism: Do Your Sermons Pass Them. Have been vetting her this was very helpful! Paul's Apostolic Authority 14 We are not overstepping our bounds, as if we had not come to you. You may have loved her in War Room and want to buy her books. Just put the books aside and pick up His word and study it for yourself. Thank you, Michelle! But when an author rebukes another Christian publicly, as you have Ms. Shirer, than perhaps they may be asked to clarify further? I run into you everywhere man YouTube, Twitter, and now here lol. Lastly, although you are not directly in front of Travis Arnett, Saikowoods, Taylor Dunn & Seth Dunn, all of which are men who have posted here They are Reading & commenting on your comments and blog, thus you are teaching men. Also, the small sources dont have skin in the book and lecture circuit game. Parables were a common form of teaching in Judaism ( to lead us to self-examination) (https://www.osv.com/Magazines/TheCatholicAnswer/ByIssue/Article/TabId/809/ArtMID/13667/ArticleID/16800/Why-Did-Jesus-Use-Parables.aspx) (oops~ this is a Catholic reference~ how bout this one: I think it should be obvious that a face to face discussion is different from a written one, so theres no need to go into that. Philippians 4:13 Verse Concepts I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. These are sources Im familiar with and consider doctrinally sound, but if someone digs up an article one of them wrote from ten years ago that says something biblically askew, I obviously do not endorse that.) Grace&Peace in Christ brother travis & sister tori, Thanks so much, Travis. Otherwise, it appears this is a form of gossip. Neil Richardson has proposed that instead of getting back to the Bible we should go forward with the Bible. Dear Michelle~ Thank you for taking the time to answer all my questions! :0), She also hangs out with Beth Moore. The Bible says dont do X, Beth Moore does X. Thats breaking Gods command, which is sin. To think one can just enter there work into the public domain without criticism, is simply ludicrous! They point you to your own experiences and opinions, not to Scripture, as your authority for what you think, believe, and do. Mark 7:31-37. She has no control over who reads her blogs. Combining elements of Eastern mysticism and New Age spirituality, this practice of emptying the mind and listening for Gods voice is found nowhere in Scripture. 2:57- Do you know that of the original two million Jewish people only two actually ever made it? Introduction to Beyond Sunday Series: My point to your previous reply to me is that I refer to my bible for instructions from the Holy Spirit as to my role in the body of Christ.. 1. Pray With Us Jan 12, 2023 Hi Friends! In our modern Before I address some of your specific concerns, two things: First, thank you for the kind and civil tone of your comment. https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/christ-centered-silence-for-noisy-advent-season. Do you have any other examples? (Ive addressed that here in case you might be interested.). Was Jesus gossiping in Matthew 16:6, 11,12 when He said, Beware the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees? In addition, Beth Moore violates other Scriptures including the ones prohibiting the teaching of false doctrine and yoking ourselves together with those who do. As for the topic of this post neither of us have heard of her, but thanks for the heads up and good article as always. Id be interested in hearing what Tony Evans says about his daughters doctrine. Real hope is only found in the true Christ of Scripture, and thats not what Beth and Priscilla teach. It would definitely be interesting to hear his perspective.. Rebekah gave the servant water but also volunteered to water the 10 camels as well. Go beyond what's familiar. (Im also about 90% Reformed if you didnt get a chance to look at my statement of faith page.). Have you ever pondered how a rubber band feels when a person stretches it beyond where it has been? I KNOW this is your website and if I dont like it or cant relate to or dont understand what your position is on a particular topic~ I have the choice to stop reading. I know they were long and torturous~ especially since youve obviously answered the same questions over and over to others. Yet, I noticed in your comments that you did not once appeal to Scripture or support your position with Scripture. A sermon examining the fact that we should ever be amazed by Jesus. After all, Scripture teaches that Scripture is sufficient. I am currently getting familiar with blogs for Christian ladies and your thorough, scholarly, biblical recommendations are absolutely invaluable. Yes, hope is needed, and no youre not going to find it on the news, but youre not going to find true hope in Beth Moore or Priscilla Shirer, either, because not only can you not find hope in bad news (like the TV news) but you cant find hope in false news either, and thats what they teach. read more, Scripture: There are two crucial reasons for this. The proper method of teaching Scripture is exegesis. Looking back over my copy of He Speaks to Me,and sifting through numerous videos of her teaching, its clearthat her method of teaching is mainly eisegesis. #1 You have noted that Priscilla preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures but I cant find the link. Thank you so much for your consideration, 2 JOHN Matthew 18 does not apply to public false teaching. Then Judah said to Onan, "Go in to your brother's wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother." Romans 15:1 Verse Concepts Now we who are strong ought to bear the weaknesses of those without strength and not just please ourselves. Your objection is most likely answered here. Not from Scripture. My article, Jill in the Pulpit examines 1 Timothy 2:11-12 (the clearest and most concise passage addressing this topic) in context and explains it (in what I hope is a clear and understandable way- if not, please feel free to let me know if you have any questions). "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Neil knows much more about New Testament studies than I do, but I'm not sure how far forward we can go with the New Testament, given that most of its writers believed their world was about to pass away. But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil. Do you have another links to her preaching or instructing men in the Scriptures? Matthew 14:15-16. Scripture doesnt specify that only preaching from a pulpit on Sunday morning as a pastor would or leading a church qualifies as preaching to or teaching men, but, yes, they have both done the former and neither has indicated repentance over it or any plans to stop doing so. Paul refuted public false teaching publicly many times. Good News Translation For your sake, my friends, I have applied all this to Apollos and me, using the two of us as an example, so that you may learn what the saying means, "Observe the proper rules." Like The Gospel Coalition, CARM, Tim Challies, etc?) Now, reading your post, I see that your words against her work and I do not understand why believers behave the way they do against fellow believers. And it cometh to pass, when all the kings who are beyond the Jordan, in the hill-country, and in the low-country, and in every haven of the great sea, over-against Lebanon, the Hittite, and the Amorite, the Canaanite, the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite, hear --. Morning Service We cannot live without fear. Thats good, but that doesnt change the fact that neither Beth nor Priscilla turn down speaking events that are open to both men and women. 1 Samuel 30:6-8, Denomination: In the videos Ive viewed, there are only women involved (with the exception of the camera guys and the lighting guys.) With regard to books, Bible studies, even blogs like mine, I completely agree with you! And study it for yourself important, NO it is Gods plan every... 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