This is simply a place where I share the message of Gods unadulterated grace through my preaching sermons and bible teaching. It started as a simple tape duplication ministry in a home basement, using a reel-to-reel tape recorder linked to a dozen smaller recorders to duplicate the Briscoes' teaching. And when I came into the representation, that was a new term to me, Id never heard anything like it. He is with us today to talk about growing communication skills to improve preaching as well as how we can find deeper fulfillment in our work and lives. The news of Petes resignation landed heavy on my heart. And so, you know, as a lawyer on the board, youre not absolved from the obligation of complying with the mandates of Scripture. Yeah, were all saints who sometimes sin. And so I thought it was so funny that James MacDonald had his house in the name of an entity called Vanilla Bean LLC. Im against too many lawyers, and I think Im in a position to critique this. What is it that causes so many people who know better, to look the other way and allow evil to prosper? But it just has not really looked like true repentance in so many ways. And I realized that as we were discussing this, that there might be some people who have heard about what happened at Willow Creek, but somewhat superficially, through the headlines and dont really know beneath the surface. So you can go to Amazon and enter in Boz Tchividjian and his book will pop up but you need to know what youre looking for because people who are sexual predators, they have an acuity for blending into society in ways that they dont stand out like this is not like, you know, the sexual predator in your church is not some, you know, grease ball sitting outside your kids ministry just kind of looking for a way to get at, like, thats our common image of what a sexual predator is. I cant do this authentically anymore. And as hard as the last year and a half has been, I applaud him for that. Can I talk about Scot McKnight for a second? My personal belief, not speaking on behalf of anyone else, my personal belief is that that structure is designed to fail, because elders cant elder in that structure. Many organizations that have a board of directors consisting of yes men or yes women who are inclined to go along with the board chairman and/or are friends with them. But the thing that was so shocking to me, is that Bill Hy Hybels was the first pastor I had ever seen be so vulnerable from the pulpit. WebIt is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. (See page 54 and following) So many people are looking the other way. Well, and I hope there are Christian leaders listening to this who take note because is the time of just being silent and thinking that because youre silent, nothing will come back on you, thats past. The vanilla bean is incredibly hard to harvest. WebSince that time he has ministered on every continent, written more than 40 books, pastored a church for 30 years, and founded a media ministry called Telling the Truth which now broadcasts daily worldwide. I hope you have a great day and God bless. And gratitude is where we must go in this time, as Kurt Baxter reminded us on Sunday. After a failed attempt to travel alone in his truck out west, he came to church with us that very day. Correct? Please know you are not alone. The radio program began to attract listeners and supporters, enabling the ministry to expand its broadcasting to a growing number of stations throughout the United States and abroad. So your pastor, he chose himself to step down, correct? He has been married to Jill for more than 59 years and has three children and 13 grandchildren. And I have other thoughts about that and how that all worked out. It was like trying to fit a battleship through a set of French doors. I think they can do it effectively. Its all a Business and Power tool and stage for Virtue Signaling. Stuart Briscoe died on August 3 "of natural causes unexpectedly" according to a tweet from his son, Pete Briscoe. Theyre involved in their own issue right now. As I look back on my own four years on staff, Im thankful for the teaching and leadership that Pete Briscoe has brought to Bent Tree, and I know that so many of us have been impacted by his attention to the Lord and quick obedience to however God leads him. Maybe some of your listeners are familiar with that you can go on YouTube and and see what thats all about. I think, as believers, we should be standing for truth, we should not look the other way. I was a member of WCCC for many years. Hi. That goes to the guarding role that Attorney Mitch shared. Leave them alone. I can see the elders (more than half of which were women), and people in general saying, It was only a hug. Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. The small tape recording process drew the attention of many people who were eager for a copy of the teaching they heard at church to share with friends and neighbors. He now coaches Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI. And Hybels said, essentially, Yeah, well, well do it that way. And Clinton showed up and then didnt comply with anything that the board had said. Yes, I totally agree. Briscoe Lets say you have you have six or eight members who are saying, Guys, we need to fire this person. Although theres been some. So I want you to think about this while you know Bill Hybels is being accused of doing awful things by a dozen women. Its the biblical admonition, you know, to hold a knife to your throat lest you desire the Kings delicacies. To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." On this episode of The Roys Report, Julie explores these important questions with Mitch Little, whos not just an attorney for victims. It manifested even at the IT level at the church. They had so many churches, thousands of churches coming on board and being a part of those. But youre right. Board members selected in such a way are unlikely to honor their fiduciary duty ahead of their desire to please the board chairman or senior pastor. Great question. He has been married to Jill for more than 59 years and has three children and 13 grandchildren. And Willow just, they got killed because they wouldnt respond and say the truth. But now my faith in the whole institution is shattered. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. WebBriscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. Im still waiting for the apology for the public apology for giving. Well, and that is one aspect of the story that I wanted to explore together because I know that what happened at Willow from my understanding of speaking with Vonda and several victims is that it was far worse, the abuse there and far more pervasive than most people know, and thats one of the frustrations I know of a lot of the victims is that Willow hasnt publicly acknowledged that or publicly said how bad it was. Fifteen years later, I joined staff at Bent Tree. https://world.wng.org/sites/default/files/issues/pdf/world_sep012018.pdf, Also, Id encourage you to read the website below. You know, Willow creeks pastors family members benefit from the Penumbra of Willow Creek and its just sheer size within evangelicalism. Pete grew up in a home with intelligent and committed parents: both Theres, theres an advocacy piece to lawyering that needs to be there a little bit, but it doesnt need to be pervasive. I wasnt throughout the representation. I think it took courage and boldness on his part to be able to do that. And so I do think its a healthy thing when youre afraid of doing wrong, because it will be brought up and you will be held accountable. Well, again, Joining me today is Mitch Little a partner with Scheef & Stone in Frisco, Texas. I wonder, I wonder what effect that might have had on them. Youre its just not its not a matter of if its a matter of when. About Stuart and Jill Briscoe Why is it that nobody outside a very small group of women who had no power, really no position, why didnt others come to their rescue? And yet youre still in a megachurch, multi-site church. Now, God is leading our friend and leader Pete away from these walls, and we look on with sadness the sadness that comes when a season you love is passing. But so far, I havent seen that. I think there were a few major events. Pete grew up in a home with intelligent and committed parents: both But I had limited contact with him. Well, since you brought it up, youre gonna youre gonna have to address the Vanilla Bean. Theres a lot of church boards that operate that way. The news of Petes resignation landed heavy on my heart. Also I want to let you know that Judson University is planning to resume in person classes this fall for traditional transfer and adult students and its still not too late to apply. Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. Julie, thats whats so interesting about this story to me as I got deeper into it, I started to understand That, you know, when you go to the movies, and you see a story, you expect, okay, that guys the villain. Im doing well but probably not as well as you because youre on vacation in Florida. And I think that Bill Hybels created an advocacy structure around him by having that many lawyers on the board. But then its my understanding too, that when these women met with the elders, the level of bullying and abuse that they were subjected to, was such that I know Vonda told me there were elders in tears at the end of this, of how pervasive the abuse was, I dont know how specific you can be but can you give people an idea of, of what actually happened to these women that were abused? We have an open listing for a lead teaching pastor in a what I believe is a healthy church environment. It was a huge fixture in evangelicalism. Well, I tried other churches and its more of the same. Yeah. Theyre not holding anybody accountable then. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? It took me a long time to agree that he had done the things of which he had been accused. So Im very much looking forward to our time together today. Im Julie Roys. If youre looking for a car I encourage you to visit my friends at Marquardt of Barrington. Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. Funny, whenever I would watch Bill Hybels preach online or speak at the GLS, and he would go into that quavering voice, tears-in-his-eyes, emotional mode, Id stop listening. WebPete Briscoe is a podcaster and evangelical pastor. WebPete Briscoe is a podcaster and evangelical pastor. https://www.billionbibles.com/voice-of-the-martyrs.html. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. JULIE ROYS 23:38, What I meant by that comment is that unanimity didnt create any problems for the board and senior pastor because everyone agreed with James MacDonald. Hybels at one point had a major conflict with a woman who was serving on the elder board, who was trying to hold him accountable and essentially used a reconciliation process involving some other big names in evangelicalism to essentially run her off, put her under an NDA. Hes also a strong believer and advocate for abuse victims. The Elder Board has accepted Petes decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. Heres to better days and better church health. Pete is the son of Jill and Stuart Briscoe. This is simply a place where I share the message of Gods unadulterated grace through my preaching sermons and bible teaching. Im so grateful now for that heritage. Yet Mitch isnt just the lawyer whos seen megachurches as an outsider bringing accountability. I think he lost it. So when you have a culture thats willing to, you know, exfoliate spoiliate, destroy documents in order to preserve a narrative, theres really very little that the culture will not accomplish at the cost of innocent people. They didnt have the ability to respond to new issues as they arose. And its like, now someone inside the tribe has said, Something is wrong here and it must be dealt with. And it took someone of Scot McKnights gravitas to be able to shift the discussion at Willow. Let the Briscoes help you experience Life in all its fullness! At one point, the elder board at Willow became what people call a policy governance board. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. For more information just go to JudsonU.edu. And wasnt there something with Bill Clinton coming to the church and speaking? Theyre not holding anybody accountable then. By the way, the best thing that was said in the recording is that if character isnt there, none of the regulations will matter, and if character is there, one doesnt need the regulations. Much has been written on establishing criteria for board member selection. Please contact us or click here to learn more about how to enable JavaScript on your browser. Pete reminds us that our goal is not to win arguments, but to win people. It was the summer of 2000, and I was a college student on staff at Pine Cove Christian Camp. And this is a huge problem in the Evangelical Church in the southern baptist church, I mean, just absolutely massive problem where so often the predators covered up instead of brought to justice. And so when you see behaviors that look like grooming, you know, John Calvin, Im not a Calvinist. He, Becky and their kids have been part of the fabric of BT for so long, it is That way, youll never miss an episode. When I came onto our board, the terms that Pete Briscoe used were, guide, govern and guard. And I think policy governance has the governing part. Great! I think youre absolutely right about that. So whos supposed to hold whos supposed to hold the leaders accountable in that structure? And thats what, thats what you end up protecting right? I have been a child of God since I was four and in ministry most of my life. I will let you know as soon as I figure it all out. Yeah, thats right. None at all. Multiple services, being able to do it on cue, proves Hybels theatrical abilitiesI look back and feel sick, given all the details we now know from behind the scenes. Well Mitch, one of the things Ive never discussed is that we used to attend Willow Creek. WebPete Briscoe is a podcaster and evangelical pastor. I dont know. And sadly, I think they have still. He represented two women involved in the sex abuse scandal involving Bill Hybels. Like so many of you, I love Pete. WebPete Briscoe answers that question by pointing us to Paul as the perfect example of one who speaks with tender boldness. So, Mitch, how is it that a lawyer from Texas ended up representing victims of sexual harassment at a mega church in Chicago? which Hybels assented to including you know, repenting for his behavior and not talking about politics and some other things as well. Or what is the church think about Calvinism? something along those lines. And I thought, I think I knew what he was doing when he named it that, but heres why I think its so ironic. Jill I did live it. This is the kind of thing that you would expect from someone whos cruel and not in relationship with Jesus. I was the senior pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship for nearly 30 years. You know, Hybels daughter had her own book on Oprahs book club. They didnt have the ability to move quickly. I was blown away. Its a serious analog for what happened at Willow. I know about the deleted emails. Well, I want to turn our discussion to what youve experienced at your own church, which is a multi-site mega church there in the Dallas Fort Worth area, because those are things where youve been able to apply some of these lessons that youve learned from watching the negative example maybe of Willow Creek, youve learned an awful lot from going through crisis at your own church. that keeps the honest person honest. Can you imagine what that does for book sales to be on stage at the Global Leadership Summit among people all over the world and touted as an expert in something? Yeah, that is super dangerous. I think the load needs to be shared. So its more than flirty words or suggestions. And that set the course for some of these more severe things to continue happening, and then to even get more and more severe. WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. Yeah, they eventually did. Because they were required to move by unanimity. Now youre a lawyer. Was there any evidence found that he actually had an affair? How do spot a safe pastorand can. But if you have a pastor with a glaring character flaw youre fooling yourself if you think youre gonna keep that character flaw in line with a pastor who doesnt put Jesus Christ first in his life, am I right? WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. Like so many of you, I love Pete. So if you think of Willow as being a living thing, we are willing to put other things to death on the altar of preserving that organism. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. He now coaches Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI. And I feel that way with these pastors. Briscoe Yeah, apparently its not going to happen. Whats our theology? But I have to say that in the middle of dealing with a lot of tall weeds and bugs, God has also given me some flowers and fruit trees to enjoy. I was just trying to build a relationship, or whatever you just go, But I see you for what you are and youre gonna have to go.. I think one of the things that happens in churches, from a deformed leadership standpoint, is requiring boards to operate in unanimity or using unity as a cudgel against people who have firm convictions about things. That was my upbringing. Yes, in the course of representing these women, it became obvious that this was not what Ill call an echelon or tier leadership problem, just at Bill Hybels level. And something else that you mentioned about the board, which I found fascinating was that the Willow Creek board had an awful lot of lawyers on it. The other thing I wanted to talk to you about in you mentioned this in earlier discussion we had about the identity of elders and how so often, and I dont think its just elders, I think its a lot of the senior pastor leadership and staff that their identity tends to become enmeshed with the success or failure of the organization theyre a part of. God uses the weak things of this world to confound the strong, right? For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. And I saw this at Harvest Bible chapel when I was doing reporting there. I was kind of thrust into the middle of it out of love for wanting to help my friends and man, that thing escalated pretty quickly. And my understanding was the elder board set some boundaries for Clinton to be able to come and speak. To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." And these men are good actors. 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